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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:26:00 -
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Thigh-slapping hilarious thread, especially 1st page. 
Best Thread of the Month |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:28:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:These poor mentally deranged miners are the ones the New Order seeks to save
With what, the power of "Blue Monday"?  |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:53:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:It's not a threat, it's the cycle of eve. You will fall from power or be knocked off by someone at sometime. It's not a matter of if but when.
No it isn't. Cycle of nullsec, perhaps. There's certainly more evidence that no nullsec organisation can hold power for ever. But miner bumpers? Of course they can; nobody wants them gone except miners, and miners aren't going to do anything about it.
If a miner gets bumped and wants to do something about it, they essentially cannot.
If the miner leaves the area after bumping and flies to station to obtain a 'revenge ship', and flies back, the Bumper is pretty much going to be gone and on to other things.
Bumping is an idiotic situation in thought and execution. Like a much earlier post said.....it comes across as pretty stupid to explain to someone, who has never played EVE, the 'excitement' of Bumping.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:00:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Yet another "nonviolent" type putting his playstyle above others' in a bid for self-identified moral superiority. Minerbumpers may have not gotten enough hugs. I guess that's not an unreasonable assumption. But what could mommy have done to spur such intolerance for gamesmanship in high-sec miners, then? It gives me the creeps just thinking about it. 
It is not 'gamesmanship' at all. Just WOW !
It's an interruption of pre-existing game features. It disrupts the process actually.
It's the equivalent of someone sweeping away the Monopoly board setup suddenly with their hand.
If that's gamemanship, I'm Marilyn Monroe.
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Forcing a 52 Card Pickup is also a good analogy. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:07:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Sir, this is a game about competition. If I disrupt your play in a way that potentially brings me gains in-game, I have out-gamed you.If I taunt you with the possibility and you just give in ahead of time, that's gamesmanship. Gamesmanship.
I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!! 
Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:13:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Sir, this is a game about competition. If I disrupt your play in a way that potentially brings me gains in-game, I have out-gamed you.If I taunt you with the possibility and you just give in ahead of time, that's gamesmanship. Gamesmanship. I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!!  Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again. You didn't even know what "gamesmanship" was, but you say my argument failed. Bumping miners has the potential to earn them ISK from permits. So you're wrong again. How's that feel?
The number of miner's who would even pay, with the trust that the behavior is guaranteed to stop, is going to be very very low.
Is that not one of the foundations of EVE Play ? TRUST NOBODY.
Your game was gamed already: by experience and history of behaviors. The concept that this would somehow actually work was broken long ago. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:18:00 -
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A Miner bumping another Miner to control a belt for some idiotic reason, does fall within the parameters of Gamesmanship by definition.
Mining and Bumping are completely separate ideas. It's like trying to play chess on a Monopoly board suddenly.
It breaks the game.
edit: OR makes the player quit. Then they all quit.
Then who do you bump ? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:31:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Sir, this is a game about competition. If I disrupt your play in a way that potentially brings me gains in-game, I have out-gamed you.If I taunt you with the possibility and you just give in ahead of time, that's gamesmanship. Gamesmanship. I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!!  Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again. You didn't even know what "gamesmanship" was, but you say my argument failed. Bumping miners has the potential to earn them ISK from permits. So you're wrong again. How's that feel? The number of miner's who would even pay, with the trust that the behavior is guaranteed to stop, is going to be very very low. Is that not one of the foundations of EVE Play ? TRUST NOBODY. Your game was gamed already: by experience and history of behaviors. The concept that this would somehow actually work was broken long ago. James 315 publishes regular financials to his investors.Sadly, you are mistaken again. It's ok though, all you have to do to end the streak is say, "I was wrong."
The streak will not end as it really has no beginning.
Are those 'regular financials' legitimate ?
edit: I'm sure the numbers are quite low.
The idea just simply fails utterly.
Post proof. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:35:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:A Miner bumping another Miner to control a belt for some idiotic reason, does fall within the parameters of Gamesmanship by definition.
Mining and Bumping are completely separate ideas. It's like trying to play chess on a Monopoly board suddenly.
It breaks the game.
edit: OR makes the player quit. Then they all quit.
Then who do you bump ? You continue to ignore the potential gains from the miners' failed resolve yielding 10M ISK for a permit.
Game unbroken. Mining may continue as usual. Why do you continue to ignore the possibility for financial gain and just imply this is broken? Do you hate the sandbox?
To equal my daily income from other activities...can one really make 20 people do this EVERY SINGLE DAY for the REST of the game's lifetime ?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:41:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:
Things are probably worse than you realize. It isn't a campaign against AFK mining. Its a campaign against all the things that let AFK mining safely exist and the recent changes to mining ships that made it explode. Its a campaign against the turning of Highsec into a safe playground where you can go from belt to belt and see nothing but herds of peacefully grazing Retrievers and Mackinaws.
Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?
Your logic is not logic. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:43:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Hey, maybe you'll get so good at counter-bumping that you will manage to stop the bumpers!
Only CCP would be able to stop this activity.
It will never end as long as there are IDIOT gamers. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:45:00 -
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Phosos Dimaloun wrote:In the year 2012, after Torvins exotic post about the future, The Mittani himself started a new high sec group to work along side Miniluv. It was to help those newbies in need before they get sucked into the fold of AFK mining.
That choice was made long before they subscribed to the Game of EVE.
Nobody gets 'sucked' into that. It's something pre-existing within a personality with a reallly screwed up mindset. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:49:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:
Things are probably worse than you realize. It isn't a campaign against AFK mining. Its a campaign against all the things that let AFK mining safely exist and the recent changes to mining ships that made it explode. Its a campaign against the turning of Highsec into a safe playground where you can go from belt to belt and see nothing but herds of peacefully grazing Retrievers and Mackinaws.
Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ? Your logic is not logic. By your logic, the purpose of bumping physics is to bump. Thanks again for playing. Here's your consolation prize: A one-week all-expenses paid trip to the beautiful system of Rancer!
Do you realize that you are honestly the ONLY one trolling this thread ? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:54:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?
Your logic is not logic.
No, it isn't. The ice fields do not have a purpose as defined by CCP. As defined by miners, an ice field should be a place for herds of peacefully grazing retrievers and mackinaws. As defined by me, it should be a place full of the noise of strife and conflict, as should the rest of EVE. I assume Bing feels the same way, and that's why he takes issue with the cow-Mackinaws.
This is a game defined by CCP and nobody else really.
Look how they react. And they eventually WILL react to the escalation of this idiotic 'strategy'.
Even saying "defined by ME" is such an horrifically egotistical way of thinking, I actually feel sorry for you and your upbringing. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:57:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
Mining needs risk, Krixtal. .
Oh, it already had plenty of that.
Just look at my KM losses.
This adds nothing but stupidity and compounds the risks already inherent............. and a reason to LEAVE the game. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:58:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Where is the flaw in my logic? What is the purpose of bumping physics?
Why do you not tell us ? We are not mind readers (or at least I hope not). |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 22:02:00 -
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Anyway...there is no 'winning' at the troll game.
Beyond that it's the "Best Thread of the Last 6 Months" for sure.
We'll just see where this nonsense leads with CCP...and the inevitable changes you are bringing on yourself with practically no effort..
How lazy and ultimately destructive.
Over and out.
edit: Got off the phone with my 85 yo Mother and she said "You mean they aren't even shooting at you anymore ?"
The mind boggles. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 22:08:00 -
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Darth: do you realize you are so drunk you "Liked" one of my posts ?
And yes, I can post screen capture. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.11.15 22:19:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Krixtal Icefloxor wrote: Nobody gets 'sucked' into that. It's something pre-existing within a personality with a reallly screwed up mindset.
Hmm, what's screwed up about it. Some people just like mining. It's not about getting isk while doing something else, and using those isk to fund their PVP or whatever. They just like mining, and spreadsheets, and m3/sec calculations, and all that. They might be the same kind of guys who make model railroads, tie trout flies, or make duck decoys. Why would any reasonably adjusted person with even a moderate level self-esteem want to collect tears from that kind of guy?
It's the Way of History if you look into it not even too far.
edit: quotage was borked. And wanted to say I reacted to the reference to AFK Mining, not mining in general. |
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